APPG May Meeting Minutes

APPG Meeting Notes – 24th May Volunteering

Attendance:

Chloe Smith, Chair of the APPG for Youth Employment and MP for Norwich North

Laura-Jane Rawlings, CEO of Youth Employment UK

Rabyia Baig, Youth Ambassador at Youth Employment UK

Jack Welch, Youth Ambassador at Youth Employment UK

Patrick Cantellow, Youth Ambassador at Youth Employment UK

Pa to Michael Tomlinson

Nick, The challenge

Leo Watson, City Year and one young person

Lauren Mistry, Plotr

Ornella Nsio, London Youth and one young person

Woman from Creative skills industry

Intro

Chloe Smith MP gave an introduction disclosing that although there were not many people due to changes in dates we would still be having a more informal meeting today. She discussed that her and Laura-Jane would give a brief introduction about Step Up To Serve and their #IWill campaign including also the queens speech.

Laura-Jane then gave a brief intro talking about Step Up To Serve explaining that our apologies that Dominic is not here yet but we will give a intro to them as best we can. Step up to serve is a campaigning organisation that came out of coalition government to see young people get into more social action. One big agenda for them is to help employers recognise social action when young people apply for jobs. Chloe Smith MP then asked if anybody in the room had any other experiences of step up to serve. Ornella then replied with her experience of when she was working at vinspired. She remembers when she was at vinspired the Step Up To Serve #IWill Campaign then launched. She also discussed how she thinks that volunteering definitely needs to be recognised at a more national level of importance, one of the things she recalled vinspired did was that for young people they recorded how many hours volunteering they did and at each badge stage of hours it could also be converted into UCAS points. Laura-Jane then discussed how we all recognise the princes trust and how that is nationally recognised and will be also on the new The Careers and Enterprise Company passport they have now discussed launching.

Chloe Smith MP then gave a brief explanation of the queens speech by talking about how usually there are five queens speeches per government term of five years. She discussed how it brought up that there would be more resources to National Citizenship Service by recognising it locally and to  put it on a statutory footing about that National Citizenship Service exists at a national level. Chloe then asked the room if anyone had been involved in National Citizenship Service? Jack then responded by talking about how he was involved in a different way because he was over 18. He was part of a group recruited to review applications of organisations and employers who wanted to get involved the National Citizenship Service and did interviews with them to see if they could be a provider of the programme or not. Patrick then discussed about his time actually doing the National Citizenship Service programme last year for six weeks. He said that while on the programme he was able to meet loads of new and interesting people. For the social action part of the programme his group did up a run down skate park in their area. He went on to say that he fully enjoyed the six weeks he spent with them and would of recommended it to other young people. Nick discussed how at the challenge they are the biggest provider of the National Citizenship Service programme. So they were happy when it was announced in the queens speech more money and resource would go into it. He said he thought it was a great experience for young people just like Patrick had mentioned around the chance to meet new people and to also do social action at the same time.

Ornella then spoke about how it’s not just about employers. She thinks that organisations and those who run the National Citizenship Service should take more responsibility. She thinks it doesn’t really benefit the people who could actually benefit from it. It would be such a good programme for those who are in a financial struggle or from a difficult family background but they don’t seem to be marketed to them. She also mentioned the fact that for most young people they want to be paid because they can’t find jobs. They would like to volunteer and help people but can’t due to their own financial situation. The young person from London Youth said that he would agree with what Ornella said. He mentioned that when he was younger he did lots of volunteering and gained some new skills, and to be up on his feet. It also depends on the individual and what will appeal to each person.

Nick then discussed the programme they run at The Challenge called Headstart. Which gives young people a guaranteed interview if they do 16 hours volunteering to help build confidence and new skills while also having something concrete at the end of it. He discussed how they work with corporate partners such as Starbucks and that young people who had done 16 hours had 9/10 chance of job offers afterwards whereas those who didn’t had 6/10.

Chloe Smith MP then posed the question to raise some debate in the meeting by asking why can’t projects attract young people themselves without the incentives? To which Nick replied with volunteering is putting forward a lot of your own time and young people have a lot of things going on in their own lives. Leo then added that it would be great to do community social action but if you want to address a real social challenge such as homelessness or social mobility at schools big organisations can work with lots of organisations on different national levels to do so.

Woman from Creative skills industry then brought up that she was going to take the response from a different angle. She then discussed that the industry she is in has a lot of skills shortages. She told us how that a lot of their employers are looking to apprenticeships and pre education about the workplace and that it is interesting hearing about skills and strengths. But employers need to see what you learnt, where you volunteered etc. Laura-Jane then replied with that she agreed totally that, that is where we need to pick up on what they need to put on their cv’s and they need to be taught the language of the workplace rather than volunteering or in education.

Laura-Jane and Chloe Smith MP then touched on the fact that The Careers and Enterprise Company are launching a passport for young people. Organisations such as National Citizenship Service will have to mandate and stamp that passport. It will build up a picture of between careers. But will other volunteering organisations be able to be on that passport.

Leo then explained what City year do and how they were set up. He mentioned that their programme had shown it had a big improvement on young people’s employability, 90% go into full time education or employment. 97% employment rate for after their programme. Laura-Jane then posed a question that she just wasn’t sure if it is volunteering or a service that schools should be funding.? Leo replied with that he appreciates the question as they get asked it a lot. He talked about how some organisations provide accommodation however they do not they give an allowance to the volunteers of £100 per week but they don’t see it as employment. They are covered by employment law. Ornella then asked what the most common demographic is on the programme? To which Leo said that most people are post uni age and from a poor background such as had free school meals that are on their programme. Jack brought up the fact that City Year have now moved out of London and branching out to other cities, how is it going? Leo talked about how City year is now in Birmingham and Manchester. In America it was funded in 1988 and that it has worked well in America and are funded by government. Laura-Jane then asked Youth Ambassador Patrick if he would do one year’s service? Patrick said although he did enjoy volunteering he wouldn’t want to do the same thing for a year. He wouldn’t be able to do that financially and doing lots of volunteering had burnt him out a bit after this year and that he was starting an apprenticeship in June and just wouldn’t have the same amount of time to volunteer. Laura-Jane then posed the same question to  Rabyia who said how it’s about the type of volunteering, you have to look at what you do for a company versus what you can get out of it. She talked about her time volunteering for a housing association and how that helped her to understand and look at government policy. To which City Year Young Person responded with I think the year is a great idea, I can help my community and give something back.

Dominic: sorry for being late I was going to talk about how we can show the benefits to employers of social action and volunteering. The #IWill Campaign. Some interesting guidance from department of education  around study programmes for 16-18 year olds. Some studies show how it helps anxiety by doing social action. By doing it a younger age it can show doing more volunteering into adulthood. Look at social action and understand it not just from corporates, voluntary and public sectors. But need to get more info down to SMEs. Looking at employers and teachers. Also looking at the health and social care sector to see how under 18s can volunteer for a heavy burdened sector.

Ornella: what particular age would be the best range?

Dominic: that’s a great question. the age range we would think is most impactful would be between the ages of 10 and 20 years of age. Looking at primary schools with peer mentoring. Specific to the work we do is 10-20 that’s all we can do but that shouldn’t be the cap. Could be 16-24 or 14 up etc. can’t start early enough.

Laura-Jane: we talked about earlier how young people talk about their skills they have developed during volunteering or social action. How would you best do that or is being done?

Dominic; there are some ways already being done by companies such as o2 think big and upcoming is the c and e c passport.

Dominic, laura-jane and lauren mistry: looking at skills and lists not wanting a new run that will then not used. Should be some unified skills list.

Leo: we like to give back some hours back after the year to help people recognise the skills they used and would suggest that say after 16 hours of volunteering an org gives back 2 hours or like headstart they give something back.

Nick: then talks about how headstart gives something backand thinks how volunteering and how we can give something back is a beneficial and an incentive.

Dominic -Would you speak up about volunteering?

Lauren Mistry & City Year both said some people will recognise it but some wont

Laura-Jane then asked chloe Does Norfolk jobs look at those skills?

Chloe Smith: not as a major part, I know other organisations find it hard to reach those in rural areas such as villages.

Patrick and Jack both expressed how being in rural locations can make it difficult to find opportunities and that Patrick now with his own organisation has begun to run buses through villages about volunteering.

APPG Meeting April Minutes

APPG Meeting 20th April 2016 Apprenticeships Notes

Attendance:

Chloe Smith MP – Chair of the APPG and MP for Norwich North

Baroness Stedman-Scott – Vice Chair of APPG

Robin Walker MP – Officer of APPG and MP for

Nadhim Zahawi MP – Speaking about apprenticeships on behalf of his self and the PM also MP for

Ruth Cadbury MP – Officer of APPG and MP for

Shona Lomas – Membership Manager at Youth Employment UK

Paul Warner – Aelp

Rabyia Baig – YEUK Ambassador

Rhiannon Wilson – Apprentice at Youth Employment UK

Sean McGinn – Affinity Sutton

Harvey Morton – YEUK Ambassador

Ruth Carter – OCR

Simon Reichwald – MyKindaFuture

Alan Benvie – The Skills Company

Rachel McKimm – My Work History

Shaun – Interserve

Kormakor Arthurrson – Bridging To The Future

Estella Edwards – The Future Melting Pot

Chris Bolton – Pearson

 

 

Baroness Stedman-Scott introduces the meeting by addressing the room that today we will be talking about apprenticeships and will be hearing from the likes of Baroness Corston who will be talking about the social mobility report, Nadhim Zawahi who will be talking about the stance he and the prime minister are taking around apprenticeships and Paul Warner from Aelp talking about their Routes Into Work report. First of all let’s get started with Baroness Corston.

Baroness Corston then started her presentation which detailed the social mobility report and mentioned that all too often those that are the majority are those that are left behind. She mentioned that she had chaired committees in both houses but found that the more cohesive and detailed house in terms of research and making reports was the House of Lords. The social mobility report is called left behind and overlooked. She then talked about how the funding difference between apprenticeships compared to academic routes can sometimes be a difference of £6000. She said that an array of qualifications are not understood by employers. She went on to explain that for many young people there is a lack of mentoring and next to no life skill learning. She talked about her own father who would of left school nearly around a 100 years ago now. He did an apprenticeship for 5 years, we went to Rolls Royce who do apprenticeships that last for 4 years. This option is seen as good as redbrick university. We also talked to young people who had some low quality apprenticeships with various employers which said they had done apprenticeships packaging vegetables for 6 weeks or rearranging flowers into bouquets for a supermarket for 6 weeks and also at one company where a young man said he was in a company as an apprentice where most of the workforce were apprentices working on £3.70 an hour. She spoke about how important it is that we have the apprenticeship levy because it may encourage more companies to have apprentices.

The floor was then taken by Nadhim Zawahi who mentioned that the A on his lapel stands for apprenticeships and that he stood proud wearing it. He moved on to say that today I will give you an idea of what I do and will speak to you about where we are up to as a government. He mentioned that he had come into the job in November and that the first email he received was from America who wanted to learn from apprenticeships which was great to know that people wanted to learn from our system but he wanted to look at countries that were doing it better than us to learn from them such as in Germany or Switzerland. He went on to speak about the infrastructure of apprenticeships in Germany and that it is strong because it has been around for years and employers understand it. He moved on to saying the system in Germany is crucial and no matter which party is in power that they take on the new apprenticeship system and infrastructure and that in Germany their businesses are truly embedded in the education system. He explained about the apprenticeship levy which will come in to force in April 2017 employers. The funding and budget for apprenticeships will be in the billions for apprenticeships over the next few years. He discussed how in many ways he saw the opposite of what Baroness Corston saw about apprenticeships. Due to him meeting apprentices who now talk about their apprenticeship experience and have gone on in their businesses to develop and grow their own career. He sees the levy as a great way to nudge businesses to look at their own apprentices and apprenticeship schemes. He said the target of 3 million apprenticeships was also a target for 3 million quality apprenticeships. He said that again Baroness Corston touched on the challenges we saw about the quality the apprenticeships would be but we wanted to address those concerns. He discussed the new institute which would become independent from government to deliver the standards of apprenticeships as well as reporting back to government about the quality of apprenticeships. He said that he would like to see every young person either earning, learning or both. He hopes that the word will spread to young people and their parents to show that apprenticeships can deliver a career and show a quality outcome for their sons and daughters. A marketing campaign will run mid-May about how apprenticeships are truly valuable and will deliver with what it says on the tin. He said that the government needed to show that they will do what they say and don’t just walk the walk. But that the new institute would be making sure that apprenticeships will have that quality in force. He then posed to the room that if they had any problems, queries or best practice they would like to share to get in contact with him so that it could help to shape and develop the infrastructure.

The next speaker was Paul warner from aelp who was delighted for the invitation to come and present to the APPG and to also be able to work alongside Youth Employment UK. He said that aelp have just shy of 800 members over the country who deliver apprenticeships and with that in mind they were happy to see the 20 20 vision come out. A few years ago they wouldn’t think they would see a 5 year plan for apprenticeships. Issues around youth learning and employment are critical to their future, but commentators are not always the best people to show what young people actually experience. In their report Routes Into Work that they made with Pearson and Youth Employment UK shows the issues and how to address those issues spoken from young people and contains a raft of recommendations that need recognition. What is becoming clear is that the shape of the labour market in the UK is becoming an hourglass shape and there is slow progress in some parts of the market. Young people aren’t receiving the guidance and support they need to make a choice about their career which is often either partial or non-existent. This problem is long standing and is actually a long problem stemming from schools not allowing businesses and external organisations in and shouldn’t have had to be changed by the force of legislation and should have been second nature to them. Apprenticeships need to be seen as a viable route as other academic routes and not a second rate solution. Young people who have special needs not only don’t have the guidance they need at school about careers but they then also don’t get the support they need while in their job. Still too many young people find out far too late that there aren’t many jobs in certain industries and can leave young people being left adrift. The UK needs a change of attitude from employers around apprenticeships so that they see young people for their talent and not as a training burden. Their report makes 12 recommendations. He highlighted 3 of them. One was that the government needed to conduct substantial research for the structure and the variety of apprenticeships because we can’t go into adhoc it needs to be evidence based to see a better future for all apprenticeships. Secondly was that it should have a cross party and cross department approach to this so that there isn’t a traineeships situation again. Finally was to create more market opportunites and have a more cooperative approach to the labour market for young people to make their own choice. Thank you for letting me speak today.

Chloe Smith then asked if anyone had any questions to ask Nadhim before he had to take a departure early and three people raised some.

Lin Proctor raised this query to Nadhim Zawahi MP “I agree with everything you say but I find our young people are finding the application process quite hard at times with a long process and that the recruitment route needs to be different. I think it is crucial.”

Emma Taylor then posed to Nadhim Zahawi MP that “We run the #IWill campaign at StepUpToServe that helps young people do more social action. And we are interested in talking to you Nadhim about our programmes and to spread out the message about our own but also similar programmes also”

Liam Budd from The Princes Trust then raised the question of “We see many of our young people do apprenticeships or who are apprentices and my question for you Nadhim is whether we can add guidance on the apprenticeship levy or the infrastructure of apprenticeships?”

Nadhim responded to Lin Proctors question by saying “Most apprenticeships will now have digital applications and are now further developing the national apprenticeship service website. I am excited to see how it will develop. I don’t believe about black boxes in technology and you must show me that it works and how to it will work. The other area we will look at will be to see if it can integrate with UCAS by exploring the idea of an apprenticeship button or page because young people and educators mostly already know how to use UCAS.”

Nadhim’s response to Emma Taylor’s question was then “I would be more than happy to discuss this with you. Just get in contact and we can explore ideas.”

Nadhim then responded to Liam Budd’s question and said “I have talked to The Princes Trust many times and they have definitely helped me to create and add info to our processes. We must make sure there is quality insurance and the institute will be independent from government to do that. To launch something new you need to keep it to its core. For example when Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook he delivered core service at first and then later added the bells and whistles.”

Chloe Smith then asked the room if they had any more questions and that baroness Corston and Paul warner would then answer their queries.

Simon Reichwald then said “We take employers into schools into all over the UK. We bring employers face to face to young people. I’m really worried that the 3 million number will not be young people. Something needs to be done so that businesses can go into schools. Schools need to not be measured around how many students go to university but also the students who go into jobs.”

Chris Bolton raised the question that “Pearson offers both vocational and academic qualifications and we are aware of both routes having a fully deserved career. The point I want to make about apprenticeships is that we need to talk about the culture around the value of them and the value of a qualification in an apprenticeship? This will also be discussed briefly as well as apprenticeship infrastructure models from leaders such as Switzerland in our new report.”

Baroness Corston then described various adverts she had seen in the past which described the worth of apprenticeships and proving there are other routes than academic. She thought it was a huge mistake that in the UK we are not doing 14-19 education. Her own grandson at 16 phoned her to say I don’t want you to be disappointed in me that I will be leaving school to make furniture. It was only through a family contact that he was then able to do his decided route. She described how it should not be through family contacts, it’s not about who you know but what you know that should matter. This is not a second rate option. She then apologised she then had to leave for another engagement.

Paul Warner then replied by talking about how the 3 million target might be achieved and that he is unsure whether they will be able to engage that amount of young people into apprenticeships. He described how some employers will have no qualifications in their apprenticeships but the standards are very employer led whereas others do have qualifications so the value of the qualification is varied because it is on the employers with no strict standards.

Chloe Smith then introduces Robin Walker who had just come into the meeting so that he could try to answer some of the questions from his position. Robin Walker is the Parliamentary Private Secretary to Education Secretary Nicky Morgan.

Mike Leyland introduced himself to the room and said that he had two apprentices that wanted to speak out.

Ryan an apprentice from Rathbone asked what do you do to talk about apprenticeships in schools?

Charlie also an apprentice from Rathbone asked what about those children without parents that may need support and help with accommodation or support? She told the room how she was living on her own and was finding it hard to live on her apprentice wage.

Robin Walker talked about his time being a member of the APPG for Apprenticeships and that many young people they talked to either weren’t told about apprenticeships or were discouraged to take them up. He said that for schools they should look at the interest of the individual and not school league tables. He discussed how there is a need for a change in destination measures to look at all routes young people take after school and although it will take a while to be filtered in it needs to be done. He made a point of young people who have problems with finding and sustaining accommodation. One solution he brought up was something that had been discussed in the APPG before around the idea of shared accommodation. An organisation in his own constituency helped young people who worked for them by creating shared accommodation so that it would be either at a cheaper rate or for some it would be free.

Baroness Stedman-Scott spoke about how she was involved in some of the changes around benefits and that she had made input to make sure that work should pay and that if it wasn’t working it needed to be filtered in. She described her frustration that the young apprentice had been let down and offered to make sure she was helped by her local constituency to help her find a solution to her problems. She spoke how she found that giving people with no support work a personal coach who could at least help replace the support network would be an amazing idea and the cost effectiveness was a no brainer but most of all the impact it would have would be phenomenal.

A Young person in the room posed the question when apprentices are working like a normal employee why are they not payed the same wage as one?

Paul Warner replied that the argument is that the employer is investing in kind investment into an apprentice and that it will somehow offset some of the pay structure for them. I sort of understand that from an employer view but also can see that it is frustrating for young people because of the pay structure. It isn’t an easy answer to the question and he talked about how Aelp and YEUK did a report on benefits and wages combined called the living wage and young people.

Iain Salisbury talked about how he agreed with Paul. Iain discussed how learndirect get all of their employers to try to get them to pay a normal wage to apprentices. If a company isn’t able to all year round they like to discuss ways in which it can be raised over time. The problem is that the pay may benefit SMEs who can’t afford to pay a normal wage but need an apprentice. But he understands it can be abused and they are against that.

The Young person then further asked what is the actual cost of an apprentice then?

Iain Salisbury responded by saying that it varies for different sized companies as I said before but the gradual pay is definitely is a way forward.

Robin Walker then mentioned that in his own constituency many SMEs and businesses were scared to lose their apprentice after their apprenticeship ended so increased their pay.

Chris Bolton discussed how there needs to be more broad subjects for apprenticeships and that it also include traineeships and to make sure that not ready for work programmes need to be included.

Mike Leyland asked about the non-work ready young people don’t get a lot of funding where would it be?

Chloe: the blunt answer to that would be schools and is something that would be discussed further. A possible further meeting for the APPG to research and take action around.

Chloe smith then rounded up the meeting with the figures of youth unemployment. In the monthly move is a decrease which is a positive. What we have added this month is the regional tables this month. We have figures here for the 12 regions of the UK which includes Northern Ireland and the actual number as well as percentage. Leave you with the notes for food for thought.

End of meeting.

APPG March Meeting Minutes

 

Meeting on March 23rd 2016

Chloe Smith MP

Robin Walker MP

Michael Tomlinson MP

Danny Kinahan MP – APPG for Education

Baroness Steadman-Scott

Daniel Bradshaw – Office of Lucy Powell MP

Jim Shannon MP

 

Rayner – Milkround

Francesca Hall – Milkround

Nasmin – Plimco Academy

Lin Proctcor – Plimco Academy

Lauren Mistry – Plotr

Estella

Pam Murray

Kieran Murray

Christina Stone – Pearson Education Board

Francis Augusto– London Youth

Ruth Carter – OCR

Laura-Jane Rawlings – Youth Employment UK

Steve Isherwood – AGR

Sam Gordon – AGR

 

Welcome and Introductions

Chloe Smith welcomes attendees and speakers.

Notice of future meeting dates and events coming up (see agenda)

Monthly youth unemployment stats

ONS Quarterly Stats – Youth unemployment 13.7% up from 13.6% (October – December), down from 16.2% last year.

Lowest level was 11.6% in 2001 and highest level 22.5% in 2011.

Discussion –

MT – What has led to the small increase?

CS – Seasonal work, may have had an impact. Lots of seasonal workers would have finished their roles in the New Year.

LJR – Also some issues with SFA funding of 16-18 traineeships, money has been confirmed now but there was a hold up.

 

CS – Invited speakers to begin their presentation

 

 

Steve Isherwood, Chief Executive of Association of Graduate Recruiters (AGR) and Sam Gordon, Analyst of AGR

 

AGR is an employer led association, funded by employer members. It is an impartial organisation helping members understand and respond to the changes in the market and make it work more effectively.

 

Over 300 members from 17 sectors, recruiting in all regions. 26,000 grads, 12,000 apprentices and 6,000 interns have been recruited by AGR members. The focus of AGR is the structured end of the school leaver/graduate market.

 

Employers are investing more, more opportunities, vacancies are up across the board this year. Bigger increase in apprenticeships (est 24% increase), 3.7% increase in starting salaries. 13.2% increase in graduate hires in 2015.

 

It is tricky employers to find the right talent. Ave 65 applicants per vacancy, but 45% of employers couldn’t fill vacancies in 2014.

 

Most employers don’t care what the degree is 75% of employers don’t state what degree they want.

 

In other countries the market for pathways is so much more structured, this creates opportunity in the UK.  Young people in other countries are making choices so much earlier.

 

Organisaitons are concerned over being hit by the levy.

 

Employers are interested in school leavers as retention is greater, growing own skills.

 

Expect to see more employers adopt a mix approach to their talent sourcing.

 

Around ½ members employ apprentices and ¾ in school leaver. Members invest a lot to hire the right talent ave. cost £3k per hire. Marketing entire institutions so changes the approach of employers.

 

In a recent AGR Survey employers said that more than 80% of graduates lack the skills of Managing up, dealing with conflict and negotiating. But employers would expect that and plan to train young people with these skills.

Problem solving, communication, teamwork, most graduates have these skills.

 

Managing Up – ability to build relationship with their manager

 

  • LM is the onus on the graduate?
  • Sam – often these skills are not discussed at university so graduates should not be expected to know what employers look for.
  • SI – Need young people to be experienced in meaningful work experience
  • BDS – Is there any evidence based on maturity, it’s a pretty key relationship with your manager, does this need to put into schools?
  • LP – What do you mean by self-awareness
  • Sam – There is a difference between presentation skills and self-awareness. It means the ability to understand themselves.
  • CS – Do you have year on year data?
  • Sam – This is the first time this data has been done.
  • SI – We are talking about graduate market; which is not quite accurate as its sector specific.
  • Sam – Gaps in skills training. Most employers are investing in the skills and bridging the gap.
  • LJR – Is it the employability or the technical skills employers are having to train?
  • Sam – Most grads have some level of skills. 2/3 technical and 1/3 soft skills
  • SI – Anecdotal – An engineering degree is not linked to employment. Academics may teach what they like/what their specialism is. Real disconnect. Warwick University teach 2 years general engineering and then a specific year.
  • Sam – Employers looking to invest early. Pay their internships. Interns more ready for work. More than 1 advantage to being an intern. Interns stay longer.
  • BDS – Do internships get permanent roles?
  • Sam – No only about ½ – due to employer and intern. Selection process is the same again.
  • SI – Different sector by sector – Banks are different they look to offer as many interns a possible.
  • BDS – Be interesting to find out if the same applied to apprentices.
  • SI – Members say yes. That’s why they want to invest. Employers looking to grow school leaver offer as the ROI is stronger.
  • Sam – On ave grads stay 4 – 5 years (longer than the 2 years we hear about) from an employer point of view they are not building long term workforce – senior managers
  • SI – It does still vary, some employers keep grads for much longer.
  • LY – Is there a referral solution for a grad to move from employer to employer?
  • SI – There is in the engineering sector, there is work going on in the sector to develop the talent pool
  • LJR – Education white paper will look to do this with teachers
  • CS – Will the apprenticeship levy have an impact?
  • LP – Does the 2 years then apply to young people who take on jobs. Rather than graduates?
  • Sam – There is evidence that having a programme and clear progression path retains the graduates. Why employers lose graduates – Slide refers to the share of employers who have had grads leave. – Higher salary 2/3 employers had grads lead. ½ employers have had grads leave as they thought career progressing too slowly.
  • CS – Is someone considered a graduate for two years?
  • SI – The number of years a graduate depends on the role – lawyer, accountant.
  • Sam – It is important that young people get careers information so that they are in the right career.
  • RW – Is this changing?
  • Sam – The story that graduates don’t stay is not true?
  • LM – Are these schemes for young people 5 years after graduations?
  • SI – the law won’t allow employers to state new grads. But grads tend to self-select, grads want to be rid of the mantle. In the US strong culture about recruiting ex-military.
  • MT – New APPG on veterans. To help veterans sign up to opportunities. Also plug for constituency careers fair. 15th of April in Wimborne Dorset.
  • FA – Any identify within your statistics such as gender, race?
  • Sam – Not yet, we can take it on board.
  • LJR – I would say on equalities issue breaking down data on gender would be good.
  • SI – Female graduates are underrepresented in all sectors. They do better in school, with grades etc. but across every sector, not as many women entering grad level jobs.
  • LM – Is it application process?
  • SI – Women more likely to get thorough but they are not applying. Is it about competitiveness, females less likely to take the plunge.
  • LM – Plotr technology study says that a female would not apply if they can’t do the majority of the things on the job spec. But a male is more likely to apply anyway.
  • Sam – grad roles are slowing down, apprenticeship increasing. Hard to analyse as too much not known. Like to think there will be more degree based apprenticeships. Predict that the change in money means that it will be more imperative to get involved. Still up for debate. Organisations supplying into the market are running hot.
  • BSDS – Is it easy to give more money to keep young people.
  • SI – It doesn’t have to be the highest salary, ave £25k
  • LY – Are the expectations of young people not being met.
  • Sam – Expectation of graduates is that they want to move a lot faster than they have the skills to
  • DK – How much work do you do with universities
  • SI – About 100 members are universities
  • DK – I am 2 years into my course and not heard of these key skills such as managing up.
  • LY – is it that the language is different?
  • Sam – Yes good point we need a common skills language.
  • SI – The answer is work experience, in Germany there is a structured work experience offer and this is where these skills are best learnt. Some universities have more places for WEX and can’t fill the places with students. Trying to persuade students to do WEX when it is not mandatory is difficult for universities. 6 months – 12 months is a good opportunity of WEX. Students get to see projects, see a cycle, do meaningful work.
  • LM – It helps the grads stand out from the crowd.
  • SI – It also makes better students when they return to university. Young people generally doing less part-time work than they used to.
  • BDS – Do you have any questions for the audience.
  • Sam- What do you think young people’s expectations are?
  • DK – Lack of information from a university in terms of employment, I am not in my final year but I get nothing. In my final year I have to do a compulsory work experience placement, I didn’t receive as much help as I thought I would. Such as more connections between employers and university. Limited places. 2nd year looking for help and opportunity.
  • SI – More employers going into university career roles. Many universities are recognising employability ranking.
  • LJR – How accurate is the employability ranking?
  • SI – Deli is floored but it is some form of data and its comparable year on year.
  • Sam – How easy it is to act on. What decision does it help a person to make?
  • KM – Not had much guidance at school, lots of emphasis on preparing for university. All my work experience else is what I have found myself. Costs are high so living costs mean you might not look for work experience but look for work.
  • LM – The internships are competitive; the engineering companies are struggling to fill. It varies in location and sector.
  • SI – This is where the apprenticeship levy might change things. Students are choosing university based on the course not the employment outcomes. Employers need to help young people through the interview stage and tweak out the skills and experiences.
  • FH – Young people do not know they have the skills that employers want. No one has coached them or told them. 60,000 school leavers looking for alternatives to university. School leavers apply for 7 different opportunities where a graduate will only apply for 1 thing. School leavers then struggle to articulate their skills.
  • LJR – YEUK launching a new level of membership for young people, which will help them identify their employment skills and see where their own gaps are, encourage them to be young professionals and help employers identify with them.
  • Nazhim – Year 12 student now – year 10 had previously had WEX when I got into year 10 there was none and it had a knock on effect by the time young people got to year 11. When we got into year 12 we got better guidance and support. We would have been more confident getting that guidance early.
  • SI – Schools are being bombarded and it makes it difficult.

 

BDS – Thanks AGR and closes meeting.

 

APPG Meeting Minutes February

APPG Meeting – Houses of Parliament

Topic: Youth Obligation

Speaker: Laura Smethurst, Department of Work and Pensions

24th February 2016

 

Attendance:

Chloe Smith MP – Chair

Michael Tomlinson MP – Vice Chair

Baroness Deborah Stedman-Scott – Vice Chair

Amanda Milling MP

Neil Gray MP

Melanie Onn MP

Laura Smethurst, Department of Work and Pensions

Laura-Jane Rawlings, Youth Employment UK

Shona Lomas, Youth Employment UK

Paul Johnson, Youth Employment UK

Rhiannon Wilson, Youth Employment UK

Harvey Morton, Youth Ambassador at Youth Employment UK

Ruth Carter, OCR

Louise Rochford, City of Westminster College

Ruth O’Sullivan, Centrepoint

Sarah Safo, Centrepoint/London Ambitions

Hadi Khanafer, Centrepoint

Lin Proctor, Future Academies

Yolande Burgess, London Ambitions

Stephanie Sowersby, Vinspired

Johnathan Morris, Vinspired

Frank Funnel, The Brokerage City Link

Richard Bridley, The Princes Trust

Kate Mahoney, YMCA Training

Paul Warner, Aelp

Leo Watson, City Year

Victor Ovenseli, City Year

Ornella Nsio, Talent Match London

 

 

Welcome and Introductions:

Chloe Smith welcoming attendance. Introducing DWP and youth Obligation.

 

All attendees are asked to bring a young person or an employer.

 

Events / Opportunities in the month ahead: On Agenda

 

 

Monthly Youth Employment Statistics: Laura Smethurst giving statistics.

 

Continuing to make progress with Youth Unemployment. Month on Month falls which is good news.

At the moment 86% of 16 – 24 in Employment or full time education.  We have the lowest proportion of age group that are unemployed. 5.7%

 

The claimant count is unemployment for JSA and universal claimant 172,000 18 – 24 year olds, lowest since the 1970’s.

 

Declining number of young people who have been out of work for a year or more.  Down by 91K.

 

We know that in itself is not enough, we are aware of people who are at risk and we have more to do to stop people being unemployed – 1 million Young people who are NEET we want them to move into full time work or education where appropriate.

 

 

Laura Smethurst – Department for Work and Pensions:

 

Key ways in which we are tackling – ensure Young People have opportunities to earn or learn for a career and reduce risk of young people slipping through the net.

 

Barriers that young people face – employers recognise this too.

 

Can be like using a different language. Employers do not recognise skills in young people, not related just to qualifications but also to experience and terminology.

 

Neil Gray MP asks what is being done to help this:

Laura Smethurst: promoting work experience and travel to work, increasing confidence and recognising how they can sell their experience.

 

Introducing a three-week active programme working with young people and employers on advertising roles and working on CVs.

 

More so academic qualifications.

 

When people are in employment there are weaknesses in some of the core skills within young people.

 

Melanie Onn MP: How old are they? Are employers looking at school work experience or actual experience within a workplace?

 

Laura Smethurst: There are a lot of work experience schemes, looking to maintain flexible work experience offer.

WE is not limited to specific types of scheme but broadly tailor and hopefully give a 6-month work place rather than 2 – 8 weeks. How long is appropriate?

 

Laura-Jane Rawlings explains that DWP are leading with the WE CAN programme.

 

Concerns from Melanie Onn MP about the quality of the work experience

 

Laura Smethurst – We are looking at the types of skills and making sure that people will gain relevant experience to the work experience. Collect evidence from the experience, looking at records of what Work Experience looks like, collecting data from that now. Looking at what a tick box might look like – Fair Train, is no good if someone goes to we and gains nothing from it, learning skills like time keeping as this is important to employers.

 

Some employers and young people may not come away with the same experience, depends on the mentor. The organisations need to be selected carefully so they have something to offer the young people.

 

Melanie Onn MP: talking about giving a talk within organisations to state what is expected from them regarding employer attitudes and mentoring the young people.

 

Laura Smethurst: states that employers all – not just large but also medium sized businesses, will be persuaded.

 

Chloe Smith MP: Frank – worried about debate and WE 15 year olds, more important to get average kids to be proactive, had a group of 40 people going out on WE cohorts. Thinks it is important for the young people to getting involved in part time jobs, voluntary.

 

Neil Gray MP: Similar experience, met local employer, skills shortage in you is outrageous, struggling to hire and skills gap is not problem it is recognition, how do we bridge this issue to help employers find the right work ready young people.

 

Laura Smethurst: no answer yet but is top of list and needs to be worked on, we will be asking employers this.

 

Neil Gray MP: Been to schools, gets the idea that he would be scared to be leaving school and looking for work a:

 

Laura Smethurst: has listed some of the skills and some of the issues.  /wants to avoid people going on training course after training course – hands out slides. Wants to talk about the design of the Youth Obligation

 

Has been designed to delivered in universal credit – has great advantages as it allows us to build it in to the regime in supporting not just unemployed but those working in low earnings. April 2017 all young will be eligible for credit, will be assessed if they are able to work or do more in work.

 

When they first start to make a clam for credit and prior to work search, register immediately to universal job match and upload CV so profile is available.

 

At diagnostic interview consultant will look at personal circumstances, skills, knowledge and experience and where they want to go in their job search and help people understand the range of opportunities. This will also be used to inform the

Claimant to see if they are changing

 

Laura-Jane Rawlings: Will they come to the Job Centre?

 

Laura Smethurst: Day one is day after interview, will be going on a workshop, the work coaches will be working with young people. 71 hours over 3 week’s mixture of 1-2-1 and workshops and learning from each other. Looks at some of the basic skills, work coaches will ask “what websites are you looking at” Most only look at 1 or 2 websites. CV and letters to employers. They take this all away and come to another workshop two weeks later. Has already seen big change in motivation in the young people who have been going through the trial. S being trialled in a number of areas.

 

In the first three weeks of the claim the aim is to build on their learning, will receive additional support and talk about any more barriers that have not been uncovered yet, including budget support, basic skills training, encourage to go on sector based skills training, classroom and work based training – employers who sign up to this will guarantee an interview – not a job.

 

WE will have a high number of people going through this, being monitored for 21 weeks to gather information and data, will be encouraged to apply for apprenticeships. Work coaches will have access to the support fund, if claimants need clothing for interviews and travelling.

 

For those who are in work all of the above will be available on a voluntary basis, will have a commitment that you have to demonstrate how you intend to increase work hours and roles with employment, stop gaps in employment history, what methods of engagement with employers. Will have follow up interviews to see what progress is being made. In work progression plans.

 

One of the things we know people leave benefits very quickly, universal credits means we can improve business recycling.

 

Chloe Smith: can we track this per person?

Laura Smethurst: The JSA regime tracks and we have links with this, we have links with job centre Universal

 

Neil Gray MP: How does it work if someone wants to increase the work?

 

Laura Smethurst: One of things we are doing for those on UC for 6 months, if you are not in work or applied for an apprenticeship or volunteered – we will refer them to a work experience placement and a consultant. WE do not want us putting everyone on a work experience placement, how can we design this to be more progressive as employers will not allow this.

 

Stephanie Sowersby: Problem trying to get reference from JS from those who have been doing unpaid work experience placements.

 

Leo Watson: Recruit 18 – 25 year olds as volunteers and do one year helping deprived areas, all points today are about people lacking skills, our core is to put young people at the heart of everything. A number of organisation work on the module homelessness, conservation etc. Nearly 1 Million young people have taken this up, have no legal recognition or recognised for being in this year of volunteering, NI contributions for signing on, gives skills and working hours, careers development, interview skills, CV skills but still not recognised. Employment rate over 6 years is 97% have gone from volunteering to full time employment.

 

Richard Bridley: sounds like comprehensive and sensible might be a challenge, some of the activities might be better later on like writing CVS as Confidence building is more important and the soft skills to learn upfront otherwise they might not come back.

 

 

Ornella Nsio: Talent Match agrees as the main issues are confidence, single parents, circumstantial.

 

Laura Smethurst: diagnostic interview had someone who is homeless, needed special support.

 

Laura-Jane Rawlings: really urges people to view the report that Talent Match have produced.

 

Laura Smethurst: speaks about those people who are falling though the net.

 

Louise Rochford: Finding a challenge at the moment trying to find suitable work placements for those who have learning difficulties.

 

Are they going to be specifically trained to deliver this programme?

 

Laura Smethurst: the work coaches – yes they are.

 

Chloe Smith MP Closes – any further questions can be directed through Laura-Jane Rawlings.

 

Laura Smethurst: if you have severe complex needs you would not fit into Universal Credit  – you would be signposted to another form of the Youth Obligation, Youth Obligation is for people that have been diagnosed as able to work.

 

Chloe Smith MP: glad at the level of questions. Wants to finish to state how we run the APPG, we need help to get more people, find your MP put in postcode, office or home. Wants more MP’s at meeting, we are here to encourage MPs to attend so they can hear our voice within the sector. If there are any problems then Chloe will give them a prompt.

 

Youth Employment UK have a formal letter and we have the database of the local MPs and if anyone else wants to push then let Laura-Jane Rawlings know.

 

Thank you to everyone for attending and to Laura-Jane Rawlings.

 

 

Closed meeting.

 

 

 

 

Minutes Of Meeting 20th January 2016

Minutes for the APPG for Youth Employment

20th Janaury 2016

International landscape of youth unemployment

 

Attendance:

Chloe Smith MP – Chair of APPG for Youth Employment

Adriana Poglia – Peace Child

Izzy Hatfield – IPPR

Lisa Abrahams – UCAS Progress

Linn Proctor – Future Academies

Frank Funnel – Brokerage City Link

Laura-Jane Rawlings – Youth Employment UK

Zoe Hamilton – City Year

Leo Watson – City Year

Ruth Carter – OCR

Ruth O’Sullivan – CentrePoint

Ashayne – Sky

Claire Morgan – Sky

Sam Willet – ERSA

Abi Pike – The Dianna Award

Elisha – The Dianna Award

Oliver – Family & Chid Care Trust

Chris Green MP – Vice Chair of APPG for Youth Employment

Robin Walker MP – Member of APPG for Youth Employment

 

Point 1.

Minutes from previous meeting – Approved

The APPG will be producing a review following each meeting, with a summary and recommendations which will be shared with any relevant Ministers of Government Departments.

Feb meeting will on the 24th

Meeting time change will be 2pm on a Wednesday

 

Point 2.

Events – The Apprenticeship 4 England conference will include a debate for young people about apprenticeships. All members of the APPG are invited to come along with young people. See Youth Employment UK’s website for more information – www.yeuk.org.uk

 

Point 3

ONS 13.7% which is a rise from 13.6% (July – September)

These figures are improved from previous year but as there has been a slight increase we must keep an eye on it.

The claimant count is down which is welcome.

 

Presentations

 

Izzy Hatfield – Research Fellow IPPR

IPPR is an organisation that undertakes research to recommend policy changes.

The points being discussed today come from a paper from 2014 looking at lessons from Europe and further afield.

 

Headline statistics – Highest employment rate, young people is slightly mixed. Young people in a worst position to adults, worst in the last couple of decades. Deeper underlining cause for worry with youth unemployment.

UK just above average on employment statistics within the EU. Spain is performing particularly badly. The UK should not be complacent many countries above us – Germany, Denmark and Netherlands to name a few. This paper showed that Germany, Austria and Netherlands have had low unemployment rates for the last couple of decades.

Could we learn anything?

Characteristics of the counties that perform well –

  • Well integrated system – Needs of employers understood by education – close links between education and work skills.
  • Really targeted careers education.
  • Good labour market policy including the benefit system which promotes skill development.

 

Examples of practice that could be adopted by UK system to improve youth unemployment:

(not possible to compare like for like – culture change would be required for UK to compete)

 

  • The employment and education work so well together in these countries. In the UK employers assume that they should be able to recruit straight from the education system work ready candidates. Employers may need to input more into the system to get these outputs.
  • In Germany have well renowned dual training system. Has consistently excellent outcomes. UK Government interested in expanding vocational education in the UK. Apprenticeships are important but not the only way to engage employer/school partnership. A huge number of the current apprenticeships are going to over 25’s. Not targeted to young people but more targeting could be done.
  • Evidence from Europe suggests that those not achieving academic success are removed from school environment and given more tailored support to learn the skills inc. Functional Maths and Eng in environments that suit their learning needs better.

 

Chris Green MP –  I understand from employers that they want to recruit the right attitudes and it’s not just about qualifications?

 

Izzy Hatfield – Yes the EU countries really embed careers education early which supports soft skills and attitudes. It is a business/school partnership. Employers best placed to keep ahead of new skills demand.

 

Welfare policy – Countries who are performing really well often take a skill first approach. In UK we put more support into making jobseekers find work, any work which may not have a long term impact. In Demark they send unemployed people looking for benefits back into the education system to look at the skills that they need to develop to achieve their career ambitions.

 

Adriana Poglia – Peace Child

 

Sub-Sahara and Africa focus

One key thing that goes across this is that the challenges we face are different across different climates. But some of the solutions are universal.

 

  • Global Youth unemployment rose by 2 million in 2 years, Youth unemployment represents 2/3 of unemployment overall.
  • Levels of Youth Unemployment rising alarmingly.
  • Youth unemployment is something that stays with a young persona and can impact on the life time employment of a person.
  • Young people compete with skilled workers. This is a universal challenge.
  • Youth unemployment is pushing gender inequalities further a part. Fewer than half of woman have jobs compared to 4/5 men – Global – World Bank Statistics. A problem that affects every Country

 

Sustainable development goals – Goal 8 has set a tangible landmark – to achieve full youth employment by 2030 – this is a percentage.

 

Peace Child working with the EU at what countries need to do to tackle youth unemployment.

 

Sub-Sahara and Africa needs a million jobs a month. What they are having to do is create more entrepreneurship training. Look to schools to provide these skills, in Europe we focus on academic qualifications being the thing to tackle youth unemployment.

 

In Sub-Sahara and Africa looking at ways to teach young people practical skills, hairdressing or sowing – but very few being taught the business skills. Teach a Man to Fish is a UK Organisation with an international network – creating self-finance in schools, by teaching students to run businesses which then develops key enterprise and employment skills – Commination, Finance, Team work skills.

 

Tapping into this in the UK would really have an impact.

 

The dual education system also really works; Switzerland youth unemployment is 3%

 

EU has a Youth Guarantee scheme. Piloted in 4 countries – guarantee every young person be offered an opportunity of employment within 4 months of leaving school. This has mixed results, risk of disempowering young people – as giving young people jobs because employers being mandated to take on young people.

 

Chris Green MP – Are there sanctions?

Adriana Poglia – The offer could be turned down by the young person if the job is not of interest.

 

Peer-to-peer learning also has a very positive impact. Peace Child has been working with young people to create peer-to-peer learning and support environments for 35 years. Peace Child trains 6th formers to train and mentor year 10 students. Y10 students learn much quicker from another student. This happens a lot overseas. We can build on this in the UK. It is achievable.

 

  1. Big research piece with EU – looking at best practice in Europe -key recommendations was lack of entrepreneurship in schools. Every country Peace Child works with has seen entrepreneurship make such a difference when it is in place.

 

  1. Lack of focused business development services for young people – there is little tailored to youth. In Africa this has been built on – micro-finance – more relaxed interest rates, supportive, mentoring

 

Can young people who are unemployed get support from JCP
Closing digital divide – Across to different technologies is important

 

Chloe Smith MP – Thanks speakers

 

Frank Funnel – Ongoing problem in world sense – EU has shrinking youth population – brain drain. In UK ageing population. Entrepreneurship – in UK it’s not very clear on what it is – Alan Sugar and Dragons Den are dangerous for stereotyping. We need to have the people who know what they are talking about in schools.

 

Leo Watson – One thing Germany has and US a year of service – young people age up to 25 can go into their community for tangible public benefit to gain skills and do careers exploration. IN US it gets £1.2 billion federal funding. In France now have 33,000 young people doing it. City Year does this, it has 180 young people these years. YP go into schools with challenges and work with young people. UK does not have a legal status for volunteers which impacts respect, finance, benefits, accreditation. City Year working on getting volunteering as law.  Funded 40% by corporate partners – National Grid work with them to help raise awareness for STEM in primary school. Deutche Bank and Bank of America who want to engaged with students. The business also get employers to work with volunteers – mentoring, careers support and work experience. Building on the back of NCS with a year of service.

 

Izzy Hatfield – There is an important role to make sure that everyone knows what options are available. Starting young to challenge some stereotypes around STEM which is a great idea

The idea of accreditation and non-traditional routes are held in higher esteem – this happens in their countries

 

Chris Green MP – KPMG and EY removing graduate boundaries.

 

Lin Proctor – Schools are judged on number of children going to university so schools hands are tied.
Ruth Carter– Awarding body that has vocational qualifications that are provided but take up is low as young people forced to go down academic routes.

 

Robin Walker MP – Destination data. Need to build up the data sets so we can use it. Needs to be a range of measures.

 

Chris Green MP – On that there is a concern that we have teachers who only know the academic route – which is why we must do better work with employers

 

Robin Walker MP – that is what Careers and Enterprise Company is mandated to do.

 

Lin Proctor – Application process – UCAS is only one application – apprenticeships much more complex and multiple routes – Employers need to review their recruitment processes.

 

Leo Watson – Apprenticeships are a great route but you are asking young people to choose a specialism – a year of service will help buy the time to develop learning and understanding.

 

Lin Proctor – Parents need support to understand pathways

 

Frank Funnel – Disadvantaged not necessarily poor it might not be knowing your options. Corporates do all the work around apprenticeships. For an SME much harder.

 

Laura-Jane Rawlings – Corporates cannot be the only answer – enterprise skills are not just starting your own business but being able to work in an SME.

 

Robin Walker MP – Youth mentors are really important.

 

PC – Mentorship programme sees such a huge change in the mentor – they learn the skills for themselves but in a supportive way.
Lin Proctor – Value what you value, young people are valued by different things – being good at exams.

 

YP – City Year – I have followed academic route and completed ICS Programme in Summer, no idea what wanted to do, did not want to follow degree route (Law) unemployed for 2 months, confidence was so low. Found City Year and grabbed the opportunity to work and support young people in primary. Wish she had had a mentor when she was younger.

 

Claire Morgan – How are young people compensated –

 

Leo Watson – Yes, we support travel and other costs, fulfilling the legal requirement.

 

Ashayne – Volunteering should be promoted more.

 

Elisha – Run an in school mentoring programme – 2 different programme – peer-to-peer train students to become mentors who will then mentor other students. Leadership, social action, projects. Mentors then develop skills and impart their knowledge with other young people.

 

2) Bring students from deprived areas and team them with youth mentors and corporate mentors. 6-month programme – at the end the corporate often offers additional work experience opportunity. Challenges backgrounds and attitudes and mind-sets.

 

Abi Pike – Has dyslexia and believes that apprenticeships and social action. Only got min grades and would be worries about more exam based GCSE, which is prohibitive for young people with disability or poor backgrounds.

 

Claire Morgan – Review numbers of employed young people in global offices, Parity and esteem around apprenticeship is important – parents and young people have low opinions. At Sky apprenticeships really important to business growing more than grad programme. After 1st year apprentices are on equal footing to grads. Grads have to unlearn and learn – real drive and business

 

Laura-Jane Rawlings – Are the Careers and Enterprise Company going to use the mentoring funds to tap into existing mentoring programmes such as Peace Child and Dianna Award?

 

Robin Walker MP – I am meeting with them and will find out.

 

Chloe Smith MP – Closing the meeting

 

Minutes Of Meeting 18th November 2015

18th November

4th Youth Employment APPG Session

10:45am-11:45am

 

Attendance:

Chloe Smith (MP and APPG Chair)

Michael Tomlinson (MP)

Chris Green (MP)

Stephen Twigg (MP)

Ruth Cadbury (MP)

Laura-Jane Rawlings (Youth Employment UK)

Kenechi Eziefula (Youth Employment UK)

Yolande Burgess (London Councils)

Lin Proctor (Future Acadmies)

Alxander Lee (National Union of Students)

Caroline Williams (Norfolk Chamber of Commerce)

Bridget Gardiner (The Brokerage)

Lauren Mistry (Plotr)

Lilly Clifford (Plotr)

Tessy Ojo (The Diana Award)

Fahan Ibrahim-Hashi (The Diana Award/Student)

Paul Welch (Prospects)

Ruth O’Sullivan (Centrepoint)

Gina Bradbury (UCAS)

Harvey Morton

Ruth Carter (OCR)

Sarah Chander (UKCES)

Consolata Ndungu (UKCES)

Stephanie Sowesby (Task Squad/vInspired)

Rikki Garcia (vInspired)

Marcus Jamison-Pond (Walpole Media Group)

Rosanna Singler (Leonard Cheshire Disability)

Ornella Nsio (London Youth)

Francis Augusto (London Youth)

Gemma Hopkins (ERSA)

Peace Omorogbe (City Year)

Leo Watson (City Year)

Sarah Buckley (MIlkround)

Huwaina Amir (Milkround)

Helen Suffolk (Acorn Training)

Meg Pilgrim (Acorn Training)

Lloyd Ross (YEUK)

Chloe Smith MP

Minutes of last meeting – call to notify any updates

Asking Members to bring a young person or business colleague to attend future meetings, keen to ensure both young people and people from business are heard at the meetings.

Ask to write to MP and invite them to get MPs to join the group

Next meeting is on the 16th of November

Parliamentary News

BIS are leading an inquiry into the routes available to young people

Education and BIS Select Committees working more closely together

Events

Skills Show 17th – 19th November in Birmingham

Inclusion Conference 24th November

Youth Employment UK Conference on the 1st December

ONS Figures

ONS and Claimant Count

ONS 14.2% down

Claimant 3.0% down

Presentations

Laura-Jane Rawlings, Chief Executive Officer from Youth Employment UK

Landscape of careers education in England. See attached PowerPoint

The landscape of careers education has really changed over the last 5 or 6 years. In 2011 the education act came in, which reformed the way careers education was previously managed by schools. At that point we had a nationwide Connexions or Careers Service available for all schools to access, and they were duty bound to provide work experience and guidance through those service that were available to them.

In 2011 that duty changed, and funding was removed from the Connexions service, with schools given the duty to deliver their own careers education services, the idea that they knew their students better and could provide local information based on the needs of their individual students.

The duty upon schools is to provide impartial careers education for students in Year 8 all the way through to Year 11 pupils. Following the changes OFSTED did a thematic review of careers education in 2013, they found that out of 60 schools only 12 of the schools they assessed provided careers education at the level that was needed for students.

Youth Employment UK produced a report in 2015 following research with its young members and found similar. Even given the focus that came out of OFSTED and the DfE after that review, careers education has not seen the dramatic improvement that is needed to significantly help young people to make a successful transition.

During that time there has been an increase in long term youth unemployment, although we are seeing short term youth unemployment going down, those young people who are furthest away from the labour market are really struggling now to be able to progress.

There is a really open careers market, which is one of the concerns we have.  By removing the funding for Connexions lots of private providers were created. This created a logistical problem for schools to navigate – who is available and what services are available to them?

A select committee report last year found that careers education is really failing young people.

This year we have had investment of the DfE and The Careers & Enterprise Company who have been tasked with £20 million budget to produce a careers education service and infrastructure to help schools. Unfortunately, they can’t be here today, their priority is to create within the LEP (Local Enterprise Areas), a hub of careers and enterprise providers which will have 1 or 2 full time staff to help coordinate careers services with schools, with an emphasis on local employers offering volunteers, to help schools access local employers and activities for students.

Going back to my open market point, if you google careers education there are 125 million resources. When you are a 16-24-year-old who is desperately looking for employment and doesn’t have the support around them to help them, 125 million resources is just too much.

As an example, I spoke to one of our young members on Friday last week who has been looking for work in Manchester for 3 years. She is struggling every day, it is hard for her to find good information that is impartial and real, and she is not coping well. With so much information it is hard for her to identify who can help, where that help is, and what is impartial and real quality. To really illustrate the point [refer to slideshow] this shows some of the organisations that are around in the careers education space. On top of that, we have so many local societies, organisations, employers and schools creating their own careers information that even at a local level there is too much data for young people to navigate.

Our research (available on the APPG website) shows that 58% of the young people that responded to our survey had had a careers adviser at school or college. However, only 1% received advice on all their options. We found that some school careers advisers only gave advice on the pathway from sixth form to university. There are lots of different routes out there for young people, and there is a huge deficit of plurality of options given to the young people.

None of the young people who took part in the survey had been advised about traineeships.

All of the young people that took part thought that the education system needs to do much more.

The recommendations from young people in our survey are;

  • Careers education needed to be compulsory. They felt this was really important, particularly work experience, which many feel has been a problem.
  • Ensuring that all pathways are covered, including apprenticeships and vocational learning.
  • Inclusion of entrepreneurial skills in education
  • Providing opportunity to meet employers in a school setting
  • Young people certainly feel they need a greater understanding of the world of work and what to expect. One of the big missing things is making career hunting skills available and understandable.

Lin Proctor, Careers Lead at Future Academies

I am based in London, and am part of an Academy that has 1 secondary school, Pimlico Academy, and then 3 primary schools. We are in the middle of London with about ¾ of our pupils on free school meals.

Schools currently face so many challenges, and with the sharp focus on exam results, and implementing a vast array of curriculum changes, the non-essential element of careers advice is what often gets ignored. What can be measured is what gets done. This is completely true for careers advice and guidance, and it is interesting what young people have said there as well. So if it does work well in schools I think it is generally because of enlightened Heads and Governors.

Another issue for schools is a lack of clarity about what good looks like and a lack of vision about how to achieve that. Research tells us we must provide this careers advice to our young people.

I think this is where London Ambitions, which Yolande has championed, can make a difference, and this amazing piece of work here is designed to provide schools with a made to measure manual on how to make it happen.

How can we make it happen?:

  1. I believe this absolutely, you have to have the senior leadership team in school on board. And certainly a governor will help to shine the light.

2 You can start early. London Ambitions looks at KS2 kids getting involved. And that is something that we at our Academy certainly could do. A gentle slope of activity from primary school that gets steeper as our kids progress through secondary school.

  1. A key dictate in the London Ambitions report is the 100 hours of experience in the world of work. We the panel considered this closely and think at with all the options this should be easily achievable and I think that work experience can be great, but there are many other things that can give good experience.
  2. I have found that we are most successful when engaging with parents, this is the best way forward and is surprisingly not done enough.

A few examples, 1 from Year 8 and one from Year 12: Two weeks ago we went to the science museum courtesy of Shell, and they were launching an eco-fireworks campaign and invited our school to come. We did three difference workshops, fireworks, coding and making cars.

It was a fabulous day, the students were very engaged, it was an introduction to difference careers. Unsurprisingly what excited them the most was setting up fireworks, so lots of them my end up firework designers!

For Year 12 we were working with a team that really wanted to give back and help them understand financial matters. We had a small panel of students to help frame the workshops, to make sure it was relevant, who may have been interested in financial details. It did what it said on tin, and made them more financially aware.

The team that delivered the workshop first described their own education and career journeys. We were already told their professional routes, but the stories underlined it. It shows the myriad of careers options and job opportunities and pathways to large companies. That alone was eye opening for them.

What if we don’t do this? Successful careers advice can really make up for a lack of social capital and make a huge difference in assisting social mobility. Many young people in a school like mine simply do not have the social capital that they might have in other schools to do these things themselves, and if we don’t help them, they aren’t going to get help from home, as their parents do not know how, even if they want to help, nor do they have the large network to look to through their families.

My top tips are to develop proper plan, [recap of the numbered section previous].

We must collaborate with a wealth of organisations keen to work with schools, like London Ambitions.

I think that what schools don’t do well is that when you have a good relationship with a client, you have to work very hard with organisations and keep them as a client.

We have also looked at badging, so that young people know what they’ve done and the skills they’ve learnt, and also looking at an online portfolio so they can keep track of those skills.

It is not enough just to know what pathways they have but also to show them how to navigate them. At Pimlico we have a saying qualifications are essential but not enough.

What success looks like to me in this amazing city is that every child feels excitement, not dread, thinking about their future beyond school, that they are prepared and are engaged and excited to become part of the workforce.

So what can you do? Maintain a keen eye on this crucial and understated area. Should it be an OFSTED accountability measure? Yes if there is no CEIAG element then an outstanding OFSTED judgement should not be available.

Finally, we need to make sure that qualifications are not all that young people leave school with.

Chloe Smith: Thank you. Both of those presentation have given us more than enough facts to work on. I’d like to invite points from the audience.

Caroline Williams:  A question for Laura-Jane, about your research. One of the things we try and do is everything you’ve said, but it is very hard.

We try to get to know the actual heads of the schools, and all of them are very keen. What we find quite challenging is that when you talk to young people they talk about subjects and hobbies they like, schools talk about subjects, but businesses talk about careers and sectors and this is not the same language. How much do young people know what to use maths for?

LJ: Language barriers are a problem. Our research and others have recognised this. Some young people do go into an interview and find they simply cannot turn what they’ve learnt in school to terms the employer will understand.

Paul Welch: Yes language is problem, and there is a challenge for the teaching profession to look at their subjects and see how they can lead to wold of work. Initial teacher training does not cover this either.

LJ: There are many calls for teachers to have CPD. Many teachers now finish education then are bang back into classroom as teacher. There are some efforts to get teachers to get more training.

Many young people still do not have functional skills, even with passing C grades in Maths and English, according to a training provider that I have been having conversations with. Many come to them without those functional skills. These need to be focused on in school as they are much more relevant in world of work. There is a disconnect here.

 

Bridget Gardiner: I can second that. We work with a lot of corporates, in professional and financial services. We hear a lot that many of the young people have great CV’s but are not capable with functional English and Maths skills.

Steven Twigg MP: Even when they have the A-C in English and Maths? Extraordinary!

Acorn Training: We are just preparing students to have examinations in schools, not teaching them how to apply them, or the concepts which may be analytical, to the world of business. We are desperately lacking.

I rejoice when I hear about the opportunities from Lin. We have travelled from Derbyshire, constantly listed in the top 10 most deprived areas. It is hard to hear them labelled like this, and then the only opportunities for them are to travel out. Travelling out of their confines is very difficult for them.

We have engaged with nearly 1000 NEET pupils in a project with European Social Funding, and we have been very successful.

Problems are that many schools do not want us to come in as they are trying to get English and Maths lessons all done. There is such a high level of unemployment that nobody is raising the aspirations of the students. We try to get to talk to them about other opportunities available, but we can’t always give them the time for informed decision making that they all need, as much is done by teachers without a careers advisory background. I can see this from both sides. From the teaching profession and careers advice, that the education system failing on this. We are, Acorn Training, we deliver training from Level 1.

Chloe Smith MP: Can we get some young person input, from Youth Employment UK Ambassadors or others? Lloyd, can you give us some input on this, and some of the work you’ve been doing with Youth Employment UK?

Lloyd: I was lucky enough to get internship over summer with a company that works with Youth Employment UK, and am out of university.

I am doing report with Youth Employment UK on living wage report.

I would make a point that, in my experience, my careers education was totally surrounding tests. If it wasn’t on the curriculum, then it wasn’t going to be covered. If it was something like train time tables, this can be applied to real world, but it is just not. Everything is about tests and there is no real world accountability. I did want to go to university, but there were no other options available to me. I do think there are fundamental failings. I know I can’t speak for every young adult but we need to speak to young people as young adults, not patronise them.

Dianna Award YP: I have been volunteering with them since school. It is a youth focused organisation, so as I grew up I realised I was best placed to advise those young people coming up behind me.

I agree that we should bring in those who are working, so that successful graduates don’t disappear into the companies.

The Diana award does a lot of youth mentorship to raise aspirations, and a lot in the Lambeth area. Organisations themselves should encourage young people to become mentors. They are the ones who can advise young person to take the right careers paths, encouraging them that getting their A or B in Maths and English can lead to meaningful jobs, and getting them to help in their community. This is how I got to do more and this would be great.

UKCES: As a young Londoner, I was not able to get careers advice at school. Looking at Derbyshire, if we just focus everything on London, what happens to the rest of the UK? This is a risk. We have just learnt yesterday that there will be large administrations in the north, in Liverpool, agreements devolving skills to that level.

The key is engaging at the local level, and the national level, but focus on the local level with action on the ground. Knowing that all these services need to be delivered at the local level or else nothing will be changed.

Chloe Smith MP: And you think careers education should be something that should be focused on locally?

UKCES: Yes. We can’t just focus on London and have everywhere else be ignored. National is great, but there are local strategic challenges. London is very different to Manchester. London growing and changing cannot lead to everywhere being ignored.

Steven Twigg MP: I Second that totally, as I used to be London MP, and am now a Liverpool MP. Devolution deal point is important, as shaping the skills but also vocational education for the city region will be very important when it goes ahead.

Cities in general are motoring ahead, in the rest of UK there are challenges such as coastal and former industrial areas that are having the most problems at the moment. So we should focus on local areas, not just city regions. Many of the companies that London and Liverpool schools can get access to are more problematic for those from other regions to gain access to.

Paul Welch: It is good to focus on local area, but would be good if young people were entitled to access basic good quality professional careers adviser and guidance.

You need to be a bit lucky as it is a lottery where you go to school, but you should feel entitled to get this stuff. It’s not something that would be a good thing to have, but should be an entitlement to have.

Leo Watson: We recruit 18-25s to volunteer in schools to, get real experience of real world.

Find people that leave university and feel lost come to City Year and then see what it’s like to work in real world. On Fridays we give them training and mentoring from big companies, careers fairs and other such. Peace can talk more about it.

Peace Omorogbe: Volunteering for City Year gave me lots of experience, you get to do a lot with a number of different employers. I like that this is an opportunity young person can go to and gives time and support to build themselves.

Yolande Burgess: This may sound extraordinary from me [London Ambitions], but we need to understand that careers are global. We need people to understand there are lots of jobs out there that aren’t confined to the city.

We need to have national services, it shouldn’t be about where you live or go to school, and we, need to tell people about global opportunities.

It would not stem from a particular city or part of country. It should be essential component of what that national entitlement should be.

Chloe Smith MP: Need to talk about entitlement point. We know it is an entitlement, but it is about how you deliver it.

We need to focus on how to ensure every child has this entitlement to years of careers education between 5 and 18 that is successfully delivered by schools.

Ruth Cadbury MP: I’m a new Labour MP from Brentford, and was leading on women and low pay debate before I arrived.

I would like to speak from my own experience. For 25 years I was a councillor for Hounslow. From 2010 2013 I had a role for economic development and so on. I have a lot of experience, especially from the 80s when I was first a councillor, and find that this debate has not moved on at all!

The challenge of getting young people and employers to meet and match their expectations is hard, West London is no different.

We here in London, and West London in particular have unique challenge in that that many who work in West London borough do not live there, and vice versa. We need to get the young people onto the same page with employers, teachers and careers advisors on economic business partnership.

As a parent, in my experience, my sons did not see a careers advisers. So their aspirations matched my husband’s experience. My kids did A ‘Levels then went to university not because they really believed in that pathway, but because everyone, school and parents all told them to go to university.

The language and image that people receive is dominated by people who have had one university path background. It is not just parents, but teachers are mostly humanities graduates, as with broadsheet writers all write from their experience. So it is going to be very difficult to get message over to young people to show them that there are other alternate pathways.

Employers really want to join in and help employ young people, but do not know how to get in touch with schools. Employers, where do they come in, what level, find time where? When schools are little more than exam factories, well-meaning and committed head teachers want to help, but find no time and no space due to exam agenda.

As a result employers have to look very far and very wide. We have employers looking at skills gaps, and we have an aging workforce. In West London, there are many young people unemployed or on low-wage contracts. We struggle to find young people to get in and progress forwards.

All of these initiates mentioned can be great, but they are individual success stories. There is not yet a national strategy on this, which is where I believe we should work on.

Alexander Lee: On the point of helping young people on the language, to more broadly helping the understand the breadth of options.  I think that all the things we have been talking about shows the importance of keeping careers advice and education face to face, as this helps them have the opportunity to be talked through anything they don’t understand.

What we do see is that quite a lot are moving to online information, and this proliferation can lead to information overload. For young people who don’t understand these things it’s not helpful.

So if we do really want to help people understand what skills they have and fit into the language that will lead to getting employed, I think this type of careers advice should be looked at.

Laura-Jane Rawlings: Agree with sentiment, but when we had careers adviser face to face it wasn’t very good. We had high levels of unemployment with that type of careers guidance.

So stepping back is not always the answer. We need something new, like a careers entitlement for all young people, that brings in face to face for the students that really need it, but uses a mix of quality provision for all students so no one is left out.

It is about understanding the individual needs of our young people, to make sure the person providing it is quality and have the tools to deliver it, and deliver it better.

Stephanie Sowersby: I work for Tasksquad, a youth recruitment agency in London which has been around for a year. I meet 18-25 year olds every day to assess them for our recruitment agency, and put them into paid work, especially using the skills they’ve gained from their volunteering, and other employment history, to really highlight the skills they gained.

One of the struggles that we find young people have is that they know that experience they want, but struggle with job hunting skills, struggle to pick up the phone and talk to me as a professional, not being late to appointments as such.

CV builder is what we have developed, just to make what we do possible, because we could not send half the CVs we were getting. Even the people from the top Universities were handing were leaving university with appalling CV skills.

This needs to be tackled before leaving education, it needs to be tackled at school. There needs to be a look at the curriculum and emphasise email communication, instead of letter writing, as part of school curriculum, as we do not send letters any more.

Many young people do not understand the tone and how to sound professional via email. This type of job hunting skill needs to be looked at.

Peace Omorogbe: Just to add as a young person doing volunteering work, careers advisers only empathise on university and not voluntary work. Volunteering is not given the same level of credibility as an internship.

Paul Welch: Careers advice needs to be high quality, up to date with the market, developing their knowledge of the changing world of work, and capable. Face to face is not all bad, it still needs to exist.

Looking in the past, we have seen some is good, some is bad, but you can’t take face-to-face guidance away, as this would mean young people would not have opportunity to sit, reflect and talk to somebody who can help steer them through the myriad of options before them.

Helen Suffolk: However, we move forward, let’s have synergy between what the government initiatives are, the Wolf Report is fantastic at embodying real life business experience at everything we do.

We need to get all involved, right at the top, the LEAs, synergy right across should be the message going forward.

Prince’s Trust: On how are schools validated in ways of young people.

This means only university is prioritised. Anything other than university, apprenticeships, volunteering is seen as bad. For pupil that go onto university, schools see this as looking better.

What about incentive to get schools to give proper advice and open up pathways into sustainable work.

An issue is that, essentially, people do go from benefit office to work, then go back to benefit office. We need a long term solution. It is a frustrating thing to be in benefit office, to be unemployed.

Can we now try and give the young unemployed confidence and availability to seek out their options, otherwise there will just be a cycle?

When I left Princes Trust, I left went straight into an internship. Although I had done many previously, this one worked, as I had confidence from Princes Trust, as well as just knowing I could actually do it. After a month and a bit, I got a manager job, so I now run an office based in East London that supports 40 businesses. So, these real tangible things can be done, we just need to get schools involved to have the incentive to do that.

Chloe Smith: Thank you so much, that is a incredibly helpful point to end on. It puts me on mind of a report from YMCA was given in parliament the other day, about the way the work that the job centre does could be better tailored to what people say they want from their careers.

Today was a good conversation. It was very deep and wide ranging. Thank you to everyone who contributed and our speakers.

We will be sending notes and minutes to relevant MPs, reviewing how our first 3 meetings have went, and then will send out details for the New Year. Thanks for coming.

Minutes Of Meeting 21st October 2015

All-Party Parliamentary Group for Youth Employment

Welcome – Chloe Smith MP

Chair and introductions, agenda

Laura-Jane Rawlings – Youth Employment UK

Stewart Segal – AELP

Christina Stone – Pearson

Stuart Jackson MP

Frank Funnell – The Brokerage CityLink

London Youth

Rosey Simmonds – Peace Child

Jenny Barnes – Centre Point

Andre Chickro – MYP

Stephen Twigg MP

Kenechi Eziefula – Youth Employment UK

Marcus Mason – British Chambers of Commerce

Robin Walker MP

Michael Tomlinson MP

  • Reference to website
  • Request for information and notification of events
  • Call to invite members/visitors to bring a young person
  • MP’s and Peers to bring in a young person and a business from constituency

Chloe Smith: Statistics ae available on the ONS site. Let’s head into APPG presentations.

Monthly Stats: Youth Claimant Count for September – 3% down from 3.1% last month and down 3.9% on year

ONS Figures – June to August 14.8% down from 15.9% previous quarter and down from 16% on year, down from the 2011 22.5%

-Begin Presentations-

Summary

Beth Gardner – Fair Train (A national charity supporting employers and learning providers aim to increase quantity and quality of work experience)

BCC 76.7% of business site work experience reason young people can’t find work but only 1 in 4 businesses over it

Young people with 4 or more work experiences are less likely to be unemployed and have higher wages.

WEX – apprenticeships, traineeships, internships, volunteering, work experience

WEX has a massive positive experience – 1 million engagements in WEX week

WEX Quality Standard – recognises org offering high quality work experiences, young people will have a quality experience.

Framework for development for organisations wishing to improve/develop work experience

Fair Train want to work with APPG and Partners

Full Text

“The British Chamber of Commerce says that 76% of businesses claim that lack of work experience is why young people are not in work. But barely any business offer work experience. Those with work experience get better degrees, wages and better employment. Fair Train helps young people get into work. We need to champion the benefits of work experience. We want to improve the quality of work experience for young people. When we use the term work experience, this means all forms, including apprenticeships, traineeships, voluntary, etc. Last week was national work experience week. Matt did National Grid work experience and was passionate speaking about work experience. Kelly spoke in front of audience at business, she has spec educational needs and said work experience makes her feel the same as the rest of her family. It has improved her self-confidence and aspirations. Tariq took work experience placement in IT, and has now got a permanent work placement. Case after case shows that work experience improves the life of young people all over the country. Fair Train’s Work Experience Quality Standard is a recognised national accreditation that recognises work experience around the country and managed the risks of training programs, making sure that they are good quality. All organisations around the country can use the accreditation, and many important ones already do. Good for aspirational organisations to use to use to tailor to needs of the young people in their own business. Fair train does the Work Experience Week which gives promotion to the benefits of work experience. Work experience week is set up to make sure that high quality work experience is developed and delivered. Fair Train would love to work with the APPG and the organisations in this APPG to improve the quality of work experience, and begin planning for Work Experience Week 2016.”

Kate Shoesmith – REC

Summary

3,500 members

Recruiters know what is happening in the jobs market

Monthly report on jobs – staff appointments and job vacancies increasing for temp and perm. The issue is that recruiters cannot fill the roles, across every single sector there is a problem.

Work experience is a key to developing the skills for young people and helping them understand the range of opportunities for young people.

Baroness Processor led on the REC Taskforce – still running on 5 years

Pertemps – Supporting National Grid – ManPower helping to find over 3000 apprenticeship vacancies

 

WECan campaign from DWP supported by REC and YEUK – important message is what young people get from experiences, all experiences can be useful, all those experience can add to the employability of a young person. Young people need to share what they have learnt from wex is very influential peer-to-peer

Really difficult to get into schools, not the fault of teachers they have clear outcomes for academic. WEX needs to be mandatory so it is easy for schools to engage with.

Then we can help employers improve the quality of the experience, using tools such as Top Trumps etc. Make it as easy as possible. It needs to be part of the curriculum.

Full Text

“I am Kate Shoesmith, Head of Policy at the Recruitment and Employment Federation. We have 3500 companies in our membership. Recruiters know all about job market, specialise in particular sectors, and so collect a lot of job data. We therefore do a monthly report on jobs that tells us where all are at. Data on slides shows effect of recession, the massive dip, an increase, then a double dip, and now we are back up again. Currently there are a lot of jobs available, for permanent and temporary jobs. But the problem recruiters cannot find people who can do these jobs. In every single sector of the economy, there is a problem. Nurses, chefs, drivers, etc, in all sectors there is a problem. It is a huge problem for employers, not just an educational problem. It is not good enough to sit and say we need to focus on education system, and we need to make sure employers get involved as many of us are already doing. In 2010 we officially started a work employment task force, although it existed before that. Baroness Prosser kindly agreed to chair it, thinking she would chair for a year, getting recruiters and employers interested in careers education, work experience placements. 5 years later she still chairs as it is a long term ongoing problem. This is why we believe the APPG is so important and why we participate with Youth Employment UK. We support National Grid to find people, as Beth has referred to National Grid earlier, one of our members Pertemps helps facilitate their work in this field, along with another member ManPower. I still feel that there are good and positive things going on but there must be more done. When the Department of Work and Pensions asked to do the WE Can campaign alongside Youth Employment UK, we got involved as we thought it was a really good idea, promoting what young people get out of work experience. Agree that we need high quality work ex experience, but let’s not dismiss the notion that all work experience is useful, even working in a corner shop, the more experiences you get the more useful. All of it adds to a picture that adds to your employability. It also tells you what you don’t want to do in life. We want to see young people tell us about what they liked and disliked in work experience, as we do videos of this, and these videos of our young staff members talking are the most viewed for our business site. They have far more views than the video of our Chief Executive saying ‘we want employers’! It’s great to see the view of someone coming in as a young person. We find it very difficult to get into schools, and we are not criticising schools or the education system and certainly not teachers who have many other priorities, but it needs to be into schools and made a fundamental part of system as it will help improve results. Another thing we struggle with is making it easy as possible for employers once they are engaged with schools, colleges and training providers, we need work with employers to make sure that what is offered is worthwhile and gives worth to young people and makes them employable. We have worked alongside an organisation called Worktree to make a Top Trumps type game to develop this in a fun and useful way. We all need to ensure that these ways to make it easy for employers exist and schools can offer that. Need schools to offer this as part of curriculum.”

Yolande Burges – London Councils

Umbrella body of all the borough councils.

Summary

Important for young people to have a consistent approach to careers education and WEX. The London Ambition report identifies good practice and support for young people, needs to start in primary.

7 recommendations

  • All schools and colleges to ensure young people have access to IAG
  • Every school to have a governor with responsibility to ensure every student from youngest age have experiences of the world of work
  • Every school has an explicit and publicise policy and careers curriculum
    • Up to date labour market intelligence
    • EU Funded Careers Colleges
    • London Ambitions Portal – network for professionals
  • 100 hours of experiences of the world of work for all young people, captuared through a digital portfolio

 

From age of 7 – embedded in the curriculum

  • Role Model Visits
  • Understanding work through play
  • Options
  • Curriculum integration
  • Enterprise, education college and university visits
  • More traditional work experience

 

A quality work experience opportunity can be drive by a young person by themselves

London Council and London Enterprise panel, allows for joint work – Jack Morris for Chair

Dr Deidre Hughes Careers Curriculum

What gets measured gets done – Measuring GCSE and A’Level suggests less value

If you embed really good careers – young people enjoy the curriculum more, attain better, own their learning more = results.

London Ambitions – Scaleable.

Full Text

“Good morning, my name is Yolande Burges, I work for an organisation called London Councils. London Councils is an umbrella body that works with all constituencies boroughs in the city of London. And continuing beautifully from Kate, we want to make sure that young people have consistent offer in terms of careers. Need to take Beth and Kate’s view and stretch it even further. For me and people a lot cleverer than me, we believe that experience of the world of work starts in primary school. This is where London Ambitions comes in, and it is names so because it is very ambitious. We want London ambition programme to be in all schools in London in next 5 years. Just to quickly take you through London Ambitions, critically, we came up with key set of 7 recommendations Many of these are no-brainer recommendations. We want all schools and colleges to have access to impartial independent good careers advice. All schools have a governor with responsibility in ensuring that from the youngest age possible young people have experience of the world of work. All young people should be able to experience world of work – we too spent 2.5 hours to decide between term “work experience” or “experience of world of world”! We think this is a bigger more rounded view. Make sure that all schools have governors with responsibilities but that all parents can curriculum so they can see the agenda. We, London Councils, London EnterprisePanel, fully supported by Mayor of London, need to make sure schools have updated labour market details so they can talk to young people about exactly what is going on in their local areas. We are going to use some European Social Funding to set up careers clusters, along with the AELP make sure clusters are set up to generate experiences, learning and activity around London. We will also be setting up the London Ambitions Portal for all involved to talk to each other, and it is also a network for schools and employers to talk and advise each other. The last big recommendation is that we want at least 100 hours experience of world of work for all young people, from the earliest age, with this activity captured for their digital portfolio so journey can be followed. We are not trying to shove children down chimneys! From age of 7 what we want to see embedded in curriculum is how we talk to young people about education and world of work, understanding work through play. As they get older they can begin learning about options, learning about obligations, role model visits, no binary options – we must start giving young people explore more career options from young ages. After this we can move to more traditional work experience model after this. If they have this, then after having their work experience then they may be able to put themselves forward for much more and be more assertive in job market. Picking up on Kate’s point and Beth’s as well, quality work experience placements can be driven by young people themselves. If they had London Ambitions from a young age, they’ll be more likely and ready to be able to go out and get work experience by themselves. We need to educate young people about the transition periods as much as possible, which is where we are coming from when we are asking for 100 hours of experience of the world of work. From working with London Councils and the London Enterprise Panel, is that the latter brings employers with them. This is a joint project being headed up a joint project, also with the Skills and Employment Working Group of the London Enterprise Panel co-chair, Jack Morris who is also the Head of Business Design Group. He is very passionate about this and the best advocate we have in terms of employers In addition to recommendations, we have very practical tool, as we had Dr. Deira Hughes, who did an amazing job of putting together careers curriculum from age of 7. Schools have been very impressed and happy to see that it can be done. This shows that this can be embedded in curriculum. We live in world where what gets measured gets done. What this does is promote belief that only GCSE results and A-Level results and such like are to be focused on and have worth. This needs to change. When young people enjoy their education more, they get better results and have higher attendance. What this meeting needs to do is change this mentality. London Ambitions is totally scalable for other cities in the UK as well. Thank you.”

Presentations End

Chloe Smith MP: Thank you to our speakers, there is plenty of food for thought there. Would anybody like to raise any questions?

Summary

Frank Funnell – endorsed London Ambitions as being really practical, we need to see the point of education. You can’t have one without the other.

Full Text

“I like this idea. I have seen many others and thought that they don’t work but this can. Many young people who are hopeless in school do very well in work experience. It is very important to get people to understand that work experience works both ways in school and work. It’s very important to get the knowledge out there that it works both ways, both education and practical work.”

Summary

Stephen Twigg MP – Really exciting, can see London Ambitions being adopted in Liverpool. Policy has struggled with this. Breaking down the barriers is important and this work has the potential.

Schools need the confidence, one school in constituency has a brilliant approach, and students get a passport of careers learning.

What would be the measurement that the government can enforce that? Destination data is one of the measures.

YB – Sits on national steering group the destination work is improving. Talk to C&E Co re passport. Schools.

Doesn’t cost – forms part of embedding

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“I echo that really. I think it is really exciting. Thanks to all speakers, but particularly following up from Yolande’s presentation – I am an MP in Liverpool and can see what you’ve described been adopted as Liverpool Ambitions or Merseyside Ambitions. Breaking down the barriers between world of education and world of work is how we move forward, and policy makers have been too narrow. Just two points on schools. I think it is about schools having the confidence to do things like that. I have a school in Liverpool, Cardinal Heelan, a Catholic Boys’ school, comprehensive, that has a brilliant approach to this, with a careers passport from age 11, and fitting work experience into that, and I forever talk about them doing it, but I don’t think other schools are following their example. So we need to think about, and this is where we policy makers and legislators come in, is to think about how to get others to do that. So we need to think about destination outcomes and an indicator as one of the ways to get schools to do this. I also agree with experience starting from age 7 and not 11.

Yolande Burges: We can pilot these things in London then scale up. Your examples, on schools that are struggling, we do highlight that it can be done.

Laura-Jane Rawlings: And affordable. Many schools say they cannot afford to do it and have no budget, but some schools are charged £60 per pupil currently for careers advice and work experience. Having this is more cost effective.

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Michael Tomlinson MP  – Excited, general introduction can see how it can be done in Dorset in primary. Link governor key point.

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Michael Tomlinson MP : “I think many schools in would be concerned at first hearing age 7, but the programme does look solid looking at that graph, it shows it is a gentle introduction. I am in Dorset and think that this could work and be rolled out there. One can easily see how it would fit in well. I also think the governor link is something that we can and must focus on.”

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Marcus Mason – Member survey 3500 respondents – WEX pre 16 (Experience of work) – Schools, Colleges and University really value good WEX pre 16. Delivery is no longer consistent or as high quality at pre 16. There are some fantastic examples at local level but policy needs to drive this so it is consistent.

Government should reintroduce some sort of duty for all schools to provide some experiences of the work place.

Promoting apprenticeships from 16 onwards those young people need to have experiences before that. Happy to explore that duty with the APPG.

Likes the cluster model – now that there is a devolved schools environment important to have collaboration between schools, colleges and training providers.

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 “We asked our members what we can do to ridge gap between educators and schools and put that data out. Work experience, in particular pre-16 work experience, came up. We like to use experience of world as well. The key findings from the field work we did were that schools colleges, universities and business all value work experience pre 16. We picked up there is huge concern that delivery of these programmes is no longer as consistent or high quality any more, pre 16. We have 3500 business and schools returning the survey hammering home that point. In both business and policy, we have to question how to make sure how these best practice developments are spread across whole country. We need to ensure that this duty to provide a certain amount of experience in work place is delivered pre-16. All business value it, as employability skills are what they want to see. Also important for pupils, as we need to provide quality experience of work early on, not just at 16 if we are to drum up apprenticeship interest in young people. SO our main finding that came out of this was reintroducing high quality pre-16 work experience. Very interesting to hear about cluster model as well, as now we have a very controlled school environment, having clusters that work together are very important to ensure that there is collaboration.”

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Robin Walker MP – Destination data can be really crucial. One of the big challenges is businesses think it is a good idea but are terrified by it. Use their own young people. Worcestershire LEP connecting schools and business., finding a governor from a business background which is difficult.

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“I have been talking about talking about connecting schools and businesses at my local chamber and the British Chamber earlier about connecting schools and business. I really agree about destination data and changing the focus. The challenges business face about pre-16 work experience is that everyone agrees, but it is hard to try, especially small businesses who are afraid of the safeguarding aspect and don’t generally take the risk. So one thing we can do is educate businesses about what they can do, providing the role models and getting them into schools, and using their own young people who have just started work to get out into schools and talk about what have been doing. One of the things I was talking about earlier this week was that we set up in Worchester with our LEP a thing called CSAB, Connecting Schools and Businesses, where they are trying to join up all schools with businesses, and on the back of that finding governors who can go into schools, and it’s great to have governors passionate with responsibility about careers education, but ideally they should all be fro, a business background. My secondary schools are alright on this front, buy my primary schools are the ones who are those in the most challenging areas are the ones who can’t find people of business experience. So we challenge people to go on to these schools. If we can get this sort of volunteerism going in the business community, this would make a real difference.

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Chloe Smith – Balance between local and national

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“I think that is very right, and there is an axis of discussion we will have in many meetings of this group about the balance between local and nation, bespoke and spontaneous, planned and monitored.

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Leo Watson  –  Recruit young people to do a year of volunteering in disadvantaged schools. Recruits have often had no work experience, they work 4 days in school and have 1 day of training. Lack of work experience and knowledge of what is out there.

Broader than schools, youth social action – Scouts and other organisations need to be recognised for social action.

Schools are challenges already so volunteering van help

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“I am from City Year UK, we help 18-25 year olds volunteer to help kids from disadvantaged backgrounds in schools. We recruit young people and work with them to train them, as they usually have no experience in work at all. Many say they did no work experience at all. I think there is a huge opportunity for larger collaboration with social organisations and others to help out with work experience and youth employment. Youth social action organisations relieve burden of schools in this field.”

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Rosey – Volunteering organisation, young people need and like responsibility. The children can be inspired to find and engage with their own opportunities. Passion is also an influencer.

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“We have not been talking about volunteer organisations. In Camden you do 40 hours service before you graduate, Kids like to feel responsibility for something,. There are a lot of places that could help young people get experience. You do not need a degree to do a lot of the work that organisations and the community can find useful. It is good the government have pushed the work experience thing, although many school still think they can’t afford it.. If there was a groundswell from the parents and kids, we could build it up a bit without finding overworked teachers and forcing more work on them. Careers do not start young anymore, people change careers a lot more now.”

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London Youth – Learning trip to Germany where they start early in Primary. Need to help them find out what careers are out there – Young people aspire to what they come into contact with.

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“Gentle push works on both sides between organisations and schools, builds brand loyalty. The school system in Germany is amazing, it starts early in primary school, with a soft introduction of business people just talking to kids in school. This is good as, when we ask young people on Talent Match, many do not even know what jobs are available. We put young people on taster sessions to facilitate interest and open them up to difference careers that are out there. The innovation is what kids are attracted to. If we can show that innovation in a field like engineering, where there is a skills gap, this is where things start clicking.”

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Chloe Smith – What should we do as a group?

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“I want to guide the discussion to what we should do as a group? Who else needs to hear about these ideas?”

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Laura-Jane Rawlings: I was at transport meeting yesterday. One good thing they did was map all the organisations that facilitate work with youth from primary to secondary. One thing we brought up is that if kids need 4 points of touch, we need to make sure that those 4 points are actually being delivered. Need barriers to be lower and have schools be able to call up people and have them be accessible to deliver quality support to each touch point the child gets. We need to make journey easier.

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Yolande Burges: “The National Careers Service has an Inspiration Agenda scheme. I can only speak for London but they do brilliant work and offer brokerage, and help to schools. Ends in March this year due to funding, hopefully should be extended.”

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C&E Co – Need to collate the service offer available of organisation who can identify and give support.

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Frank Funnell – Teachers need to be inspired, teachers who engage with CPD can then lead back at school. Parents also need to be supported, primary schools is a good place to engage parents. Need to influence organisation who represent parents and carers.

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“I have two groups that really need to be involved. First are teachers. I have contacts in Eastbury, and these contacts will see problems and ways around them. Teachers, and my next goup are key in social mobility. The second group are parents. I’m surprised we’ve not had parent input yet. We have programme currently running in Haringey. You can get parents along much easier than business. Parents need to learn about careers education as well, as their input is very valuable. Teachers and parents are gatekeepers for people at social disadvantage.”

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Chloe Smith: – Action – website to carry all of these resources – send minister copy of meeting – Nicky Morgan and BIS Ministers, share with LEPS and Careers & Ent Co.

Governors network and teaching networks.

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Chloe Smith: I have an action to form up that would be appropriate for this group. In addition to our website carrying all these resources, we should make sure to email around a copy of everything that has happened in the meeting to relevant people, in this case that would be Nicky Morgan but also business ministers. Why don’t we also make sure The Careers and Enterprise Company know, and we can do the same with Local Enterprise Partnerships. And also, these are big but it’s worth a go, something to do with governors networks and try to get governors and parents. Then next could be teachers networks.

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Stewart Segal – Framework is the exciting thing, don’t expect any legislation. Getting schools to own framework, also include apprenticeships and traineeships into frameworks. Bring in things that happen outside.

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Stewart Segal: “Teach First would be great to look at. As for me I think the whole framework sounds exciting and realistic. Things that are happening in our side of the world, apprenticeships and traineeships, if we can drop these words into the framework it will be helpful to shape. If you look at schools, they must struggle to know where to start, but if we give them a framework is much easier. I ask that you let LEPs know as they can help.

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LJR – Need to identify things that government funded and help them to use those things such as Plotr to respond to these challenges

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“This week there was a jobs hack. One of the things they came up with was a website to help kids get career advice. I had to get back to cab office to tell them they already do that. What we need to do is ensure that nothing is doing over and over again wasting time and money.

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Centrepoint – Work ready programme helps young people get work experience placements, students go out on Fridays for WEX but also Mentoring.

How can we get Councils to be a conduit locally?

ASCL Brian Larmen

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“I have done work experience myself, in a lot of different areas and companies. I may have done 50 hours of it. I find it very interesting and helpful to get a job or part time job. In my school, a Catholic college, we have the Work Ready Programme, created in 2012 and mentioned in parliament, was created by businessmen, to help get work experience placements into school and get students in 6th form to go out on Fridays or go and do 6 weeks work experience. Also we have mentoring on Friday where they come and tell us their story and how they got into world of work. My school has been very successful with this, so we are trying to expand it to all schools in my borough in Brent. Some schools don’t have the facilities to do that. Local councils aren’t approaching rightly that business and school are related together. What I want is to get local councils to be more positive to schools and get business to work together to get business to get into schools.

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Chloe Smith: “Thank you that is very welcome. Regrettably, we do not have time to open up and answer those questions. Thank you all for attending, it has been very helpful, especially our 3 speakers. Minutes and information on the next meeting will be on the APPG site. Please remember to try and bring a young person each at the next meeting.”